This is the transcript I made of a radio interview with Anosha - an American patriot who is living in Russia. It is a fascinating and useful view into the current real world in Russia:
Here is the audio file for your listening enjoyment:
Transcript:
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Thomas
We're going to do a brief interview with Anosha who is located in Russia at the moment. So we'd like to get a little ground truth as to how things are going over there. Where are you in Russia. Are you near Moscow?
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Anosha
Yeah, I'm a couple of hours by train away from downtown Moscow.
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Thomas
Okay. And if you can't tell by his really good American accent, I know he's actually American. You happened to be traveling and decided to hang out in Russia for a while. He's interested in the church there. Yes, but we're not going to get so much into the personal details. We want to talk about the situation. So I just want to point out Anosha is American and that's why you speak so well.
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Anosha
English.
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Dagny
Anosha, how how long have you been in Russia now?
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Anosha
Actually, a couple of years. I'm sort of a family. And we we moved a couple of years ago, actually, just before COVID.
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Dagny
Can you say why you moved to Russia?
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Anosha
It got very intense in America. We have a lot of alternative choices that we've made and they very much line up with Russian way of life. But they very, very much do not line up with what Americans expect things be like and it was getting a little bit ridiculous in the amount of pressure that we were getting.
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Anosha
We have chosen not to vaccinate our children and that would exclude all of them from all schools in the place where we lived at the time when we moved.
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Thomas
So Russia did not force vaccinations then?
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Anosha
No.
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Thomas
They presented as a choice.
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Anosha
Absolutely. Yeah. It was. It was strongly encouraged for for many people [in America, It was required to keep your job in some sectors. Not all that many. Mostly. Mostly, I think in government. You know, when Trump would give interviews and talk about, you know, he would push it and he would talk about how good they were and then emphasized, well, but it's got to be, you know, free choice.
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Anosha
Putin was making very similar statements at the same time.
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Thomas
Well, was there any push for hydroychloroquine and ivermectin and other treatments?
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Anosha
Their push for things are going to configure differently in Russian society. What is kind of whacko alternative health there in America it is a lot closer to the mainstream here. I can go to the apteka or across the street and get several kinds of remedies either that are not available at all in America or that are going to have to like mail order from to a niche provider in America.
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Anosha
So, you know, things are a little different and people are a lot more used to folk knowledge being a component of health care, including including doctors themselves. So no, I don't recall there being a lot about HCQ, etc., but it is consistently done. It's possible and a reasonable cost to get things like ivermectin.
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Thomas
Let's get a little bit of the situation around you. Have gas prices risen very much? You know, there's the conflict with Ukraine. Has it affected gas prices, food prices, availability of things?
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Anosha
Well, I'm currently not driving because I can't but I can go without driving - but last I heard, converting both the distance and the volume units. Last I heard, the gas prices were at 350 a gallon, $3.50 per gallon.
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Thomas
Was that much of a jump from a year or two ago?
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Anosha
I think it's definitely a hike. I don't frankly know how much.
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Thomas
Okay. And what about food availability, agriculture? Do you know if any of that's being affected?
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Anosha
I don't know of anybody who has a problem like getting food. I don't know of any empty shelves things except for a couple of instances when there was big things in the news and people panic, bought sugar, other things that people panic buy. But it was just a matter of, you know, the consumer behavior and not supply. Prices have gone up a bit.
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Anosha
Import and export stuff is more expensive. That has gone up. But I mean, Russia really has a lot of its own supply - a lot of things that are close to being self-sufficient. And, you know, you can kind of feel that things that have affected others a lot have affected us a bit.
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Thomas
You mentioned self-sufficiency. This is something that's a problem for many nations right now - they're not providing what they need to get by for themselves. Is that more of a strong point in Russia right now that Russia is looking to do that, to make sure it is self-sufficient?
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Anosha
Yeah, I think politicians and their planners have been taking a victory lap for about six months: "Let's see. We told you. Yeah." There's been a lot of concerted work, certainly ever since the Donbass crisis began in 2014 to just, you know, make Russia as a sovereign as is as possible, which is a pretty, pretty significant extent when when you're across 11 time zones. It's kind of palpable.
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Thomas
So you mentioned 2014. And I have to say, most Americans, I've spoken to have no idea why that year is significant, especially in Ukraine. What is the understanding in Russia about what happened in 2014?
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Anosha
The storyline starts at least as far back as 2004. There was an initial color revolution in Ukraine overturning the government, but then by 2014, the new president was again making overtures toward Russia being friendly, and making friendly economic decisions with Russia. Can't have that. The West came in and conducted another color revolution installed by the Schenker, in order to pursue anti-Russian policies and in keeping make sure that there is at least arm's length distance and increase it as much as possible between Russia and Ukraine. The eastern is the most obvious region of Ukraine that borders Russia and have many people who just speak Russian, identify with Russian culture and really interact at least as much with Russia as with Ukraine. And they're like, you know, what's this? We elected somebody, you know, the guy who won the election, and it was overturned and they put Poroshenko and they hadn't voted for him.
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Thomas
Him if they had democracy, right?
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Anosha
Yeah. It was a democratic choice and the Donbass won and then it was militarily overturned. And then Donbass said, no, we're not going to go along with this coup. From the Russian side, as I'm telling you. When the new regime had moved into city hall and, you know, the officers, the citizens came in and armed and said, no, we're leaving now and took over. And it wasn't long before the Ukrainian military was flying sorties and bombing civilians in the Donbass and bombing their airport and lots of things. And you can find there are some wonderful documentaries about that time.
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Thomas
Have you heard much about refugees from Ukraine? Is that an issue in Russia? Do you talk about that much there?
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Anosha
Those people from Ukraine who came here, it's like, "Hey, Welcome home.". They speak Russian, they want to be here, they integrate. Well, you know, they're they're already Russian, so it's good, though, no big issue. And I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's pretty much how it is. I have some such people among my friends who have come here from sometime during these eight years.
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Thomas
So there's there's an awareness then that people are fleeing from Ukraine to escape this war. But they're not they're not trying to escape the Russians. Right. They're not.
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Anosha
Yeah. Western media doesn't like to cover the long multi-day lines where people are just like camping out, waiting in line to to enter the Russian controlled area.
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Dagny
You mentioned Russian culture. How does Russian culture differ from the US culture.
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Anosha
That is that's the largest question yet. I've yet to meet anybody who disagreed with the summary that Americans are soft on the outside and hard on the inside. The Russians are hard on the outside and soft on the inside. So, you know, your initial encounter with people isn't going to be, oh, it's good to see you, any of this kind of stuff.
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Anosha
And then, you know, you get shafted when you get to know the person better, you get into the social intrigues or whatever. It's kind of the opposite. It's an initial resistance to engage kind of feeling suspect, especially now for an American. You know, if we speak English, I wear saint George ribbons and some other things prominently to kind of give people a clue to what side I'm on because, you know, if I'm out on the bus or something with children and we're speaking in English, it's like, who are you and why are you here?
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Anosha
But once you get past a certain kind of threshold level where people kind of figure out the situation, then it's much, I would say, much warmer on average than than informal relationships.
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Dagny
In America people probably don't know what the St George ribbon means.
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Anosha
You'll see it a lot. The Russian and Donbass soldiers are wearing it on on their sleeves. It's a black and orange ribbon, repeated black and orange stripes, and it connects to commemorating the victory of Russia over the Nazis. This is very important to understand if you're looking at Russia in this conflict. You need to understand that Russia identifies very deeply with that they were the ones who sacrificed millions of Russian lives to win World War Two against the Nazis.
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Anosha
They were the ones who defeated Nazi Germany and every year every city has a large parade where, the people themselves are marching with pictures of their loved ones and their ancestors who who fought and won that war. It's pretty intense.
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Dagny
March of the Immortals, I think they call it.
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Anosha
Right, the Immortal Regiment. My son and I participated this year. My grandfather fought as an American soldier with and met up with Russians during World War Two and also my wife's grandfather of Russian descent was in the US Navy at the time to serving. So we had their pictures and we printed them out using the Russian templates that they used to put the St George ribbons on top and converse with them.
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Thomas
So in that context, is there any discussion about Nazis in Ukraine?
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Anosha
Absolutely, yeah. What do you want to know?
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Thomas
What are people saying about that? Who are they really fighting right now?
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Anosha
Well, American patriots typically tend to simplify things. You know, we say we're the deep state or the CIA or refer to some ethnic groups or something. For Russians, it's they just say "Nazis". "We fought this enemy before. We see it in Ukraine, it's the Nazis." And it's probably not inaccurate at all.
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Anosha
I mean, it is accurate. They are you know, there are actual people are even saying it's not even neo-Nazis. It's literally the descendants of Nazis that are in Ukraine and are doing this stuff - are freely saying Heil and giving the the salute in the streets, have have the books, have the propaganda, have the flag, the insignia, extremely nasty practices, including some, shall we say, religious practices.
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Anosha
So here there's not much confusion about how to term this enemy. For American patriots, I think it seems kind of amorphous and we're not sure how to label this thing that's hurting us. It's clear it's the Nazis.
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Thomas
It seems that America imposed sanctions on Russia and the American president said we're going to have to hurt the Russian economy. We're going to knock Russia down as it had that effect. Well...
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Anosha
We don't have Apple Pay, but.
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Dagny
Whenever you sell.
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Thomas
McDonald's, do you have McDonald's?
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Anosha
We have McDonald's. It got bought by kind of like the the owner of its Russian operations and is now called Vkusno i tochka now, which means tasty, full stop or tasty and that's it. There's a figure of a ten or 15 year agreement that McDonald's can buy it back at a certain time if they go back to Russia.
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Anosha
They're keeping a lot of their operations the same. I kept a watch. There was a McDonald's on my on my way between my home and my office and all the way through the period where they were closed until just a couple of days before they reopened, there was a McDonald's Golden Arches touch screen where you could place your order.
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Anosha
The order kiosk: It had the golden arches on it until just a couple of days before. And then, you know, they removed the logo from things, but that's how that's how much the operations are kind of untouched.
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Thomas
And the food changed?
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Anosha
I don't know. I refuse to go to either McDonald's or this new thing. You know, out of kind of principle, I have gone to Burger King. I haven't gone to Burger King since the special operation. I kind of just don't do American chains.
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Dagny
I was wondering, do you ever plan to come back to America or have you applied for citizenship in Russia?
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Anosha
It's not "one does not simply apply for citizenship in Russia" is it? Especially coming from a from a country that is, you know, not in the post-Soviet bloc. I pronounce it Soviet because that's how it's pronounced in Russian. Soviet know there's quite a bit that Americans put immigrants through. Russia has kind of mirror measures, you know, things that are that's that's like a tool of diplomacy.
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Anosha
You know, you can make things easier or harder for immigrants. And so there's a way you can, you know, get mirror responses, and kind of signal things through that kind of thing. So it is that there's a convoluted set of steps that I get to go through. I have residency, which I'm grateful for.
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Anosha
And it was not simple to get that much. I don't currently have plans to visit the U.S. In fact, a lot of people that I know in the U.S. who have some interest in coming here, don't want to visit. They want to either come here and stay put or stay in the U.S. because it seems to all of us like it's just inviting trouble at the border to come back from Russia to the U.S. And so its like a big kick me sign on your passport.
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Dagny
I have a friend and she said she knows all about Russia. I've since doubted her accuracy. She had these wild stories that she'd talk about. For example, she said that the moral fiber of Russia was destroyed during communism and that they they're all a bunch of drunks and and.
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Anosha
Okay.
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Dagny
It'd be nice if I could check with you and see if we can confirm or dispute. What we want is to confirm or dispute the these claims that she's made about Russians and what they're like. So.
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Anosha
So I'm going to take a wild guess and guess that this person has some Slavic roots.
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Dagny
Not that I know of.
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Anosha
Okay. All right. Well, some of the people who moved from Russia, the reason why I say that - this is part of the answer: Some of the people who were in touch with Russia moved from Russia during the nineties, say all of the things that you just said. And then the further away you get after the nineties, the less people say anything like that.
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Anosha
People who are familiar with nineties, Russia versus Russia in the 20 tens - There's a very clear gradient of it where, Russia's [changed] very quickly. Yes, it's clear that Russia was not a pleasant place to live during the 1990s when things collapsed. There was awful stuff that went down but we just laid Gorbachev to rest.
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Anosha
And you'll notice that Putin did not attend his funeral. He was not regarded by Russian patriots as a friend of Russia. He was a friend of the West. And he he was part of the reason why things got as bad as they did in the nineties. His policies created a collapse.
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Dagny
Some people claim that Putin's trying to recreate the Communist Soviet Union so it's a two part question Is he trying to rebuild the Soviet Union? And if so, how do people look on communism now in Russia?
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Anosha
No, it's not communism that's being rebuilt. If there's something that's being rebuilt, it might be the Russian empire. If you see a Soviet flag now, you understand, and I understand I'm seeing somebody who is feeling strongly patriotic about Russia and is likely in support of the elections and, you know, the United Russia Party and definitely the special military operation.
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Anosha
But also, if you see somebody holding an imperial flag from before the Bolshevik Revolution, that person who's also of similar disposition toward Russia and probably probably an Orthodox Christian who is traditional and sings the hymm to the czar as much as he sings the Russian national anthem.
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Thomas
So it's about Russian pride, kind of like people flying the Gadsden flag or even sometimes a Confederate flag in the U.S..
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Anosha
Yeah. I think that's right. Like there are kind of corollaries to the Don't Tread On Me flag and to the Betsy Ross [flag]. Yeah. I think that's good.
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Thomas
The original spirit of 1776 flag, that sort of thing. Yes. Fascinating. Well, speaking of flags, flags are flying the gay pride flag around like the...
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Anosha
Only a couple or a few years ago when the U.S. embassy pulled that they had to put up the gay pride flag and somebody brought one and put it on the street and all the Russians bypassers were taking pictures during walking on it. It's not a thing here. There are there are homosexual people. I did see, you know, one young lady, I guess there had been some decision against some policy change or something.
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Anosha
We were at a playground and there was one young lady who had wrapped herself in a rainbow flag. But, I mean, it's you know, that's not a mainstream or popular thing. It's on the fringes. There are definitely inroads that have been made into Russian culture by those who like to make inroads into Russian culture. But they would need more time to make the kind of progress they would have liked to to have made by now.
00:20:07:04 - 00:20:29:06
Dagny
Yeah, this friend of mine, she talks to people who emigrated in the nineties pretty much. She's stuck in the nineties. One of the other things she says is that there's basically no freedom of speech, that if you say something even on a phone call or on the Internet or something against Putin, that you get arrested and locked away and tortured and all that kind of stuff so they point to that.
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Anosha
That's an interesting claim that I would love to hear. What backs that up - there was a series of provocations and if you followed it closely... I mean, things like the Skripals, you know, this Novichok is theater of the absurd. If you actually looked at the facts of the story, it's like Russian intelligence is at once the savviest, smoothest, most sophisticated operators the world has ever seen, and they're the most clumsy idiots, idiotic operators, because they make these basic errors and what fools they are.
00:21:12:12 - 00:21:37:03
Anosha
There were a series of provocations where it seems clear to me what was going on was that Western operators were setting things up to look like think that Putin is disappearing people all the time and all this kind of stuff. It's not like there's no censorship. One big difference between the U.S. and Russia is that when Russia takes action, there are a lot more likely to be aware of it.
00:21:38:02 - 00:22:04:15
Anosha
They don't care. They don't do this like lying to you just to maintain the lie sort of thing that you get in the U.S.. Do you know what I'm talking about? Okay. Instead of sidetracking him, keep on plugging here. You know, you're a lot more likely to know that you're being messed with. So when the special operation started, I don't know if you're familiar with color revolution or your listeners are familiar with what's called color revolution technology.
00:22:05:05 - 00:22:33:09
Anosha
The U.S. and the West and the Deep State and Soros, whatever you want to call this thing, have a literally a published playbook for how to overturn governments, how to organize people, how to create the situation where you get people on the streets and then you transform these kind of like aimlessly upset people on the streets into people who are shouting condemnations of the government.
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Anosha
And then you bring in provocateurs to light some some Molotov cocktails and light some things up and start shooting somewhere. And then now that forces the police to respond. And now you've got all these people really upset and they don't really know what they're upset about. But now they know because the police are shooting at them.
00:22:53:00 - 00:23:14:11
Anosha
Whatever they were upset about they can hallucinate their own whatever they were upset about into this. And now it's personal and now it's their family. And, "oh, if you could only understand how bad it is, how awful this regime is, and we just need" so now it's popular and now everybody knows somebody who was mad or wherever it was and all this.
00:23:14:11 - 00:23:35:08
Anosha
Right now it's "We all need to cooperate to overturn the government and everything about it." and put an end to that chapter. It's a whole technology that they have developed and they've repeated this many times around the globe. Any time when anybody says no to the World Bank or something like this, the IMF, suddenly you get these people on the streets who are aimlessly upset and then, you know what the playbook states.
00:23:36:03 - 00:23:56:13
Anosha
So how do you defeat that? Russia is just fine with looking bad right off the bat and the minute somebody starts to do anything from that playbook, you take them. Don't put them in a torture cell. Don't you know their family? We'll see them again soon, but they will not be on the Red Square expressing any opinion or doing anything politically demonstrative.
00:23:57:06 - 00:24:30:04
Anosha
So I'm on my Anosha Channel and Telegram. I shared during the opening of the military operation, a video of exactly what somebody said. There was a journalist standing in Red Square and somebody came up and had two words. I think it was even like the words two words written on a sign like a piece of paper that they held up for the camera and then the police said, okay, let's go to the mob.
00:24:31:00 - 00:24:52:07
Anosha
And then another lady came on to the camera, and said, "So you're asking anybody, right? You know, you're interested in Russians opinions, right? Whatever they are, even if they're, you know, in support." "Oh, yes. You know, we're interested in anything, anybody." "Well, I just like to say that I support." Okay, let's go. And she was very quickly taken off camera.
00:24:52:08 - 00:25:11:01
Anosha
Surely she's not somewhere getting drops of water onto her forehead. I think she was probably returned home soon. But, you know, Russia's just not going to going to allow the agents to to develop their techniques. And, you know, they're going to nip it in the bud everywhere.
00:25:12:06 - 00:25:15:10
Thomas
So you prevent running around torching cities in Russia.
00:25:17:02 - 00:25:40:05
Dagny
I remember reading about a television journalist in Russia and she was speaking against the special operation and she got detained after she left the studio, but it was only for a little while. And then she was back out again.
00:25:40:10 - 00:26:05:10
Anosha
Yeah. Part of the reason why Russia is not as shy about detaining people and stuff is that the criminal penalties are much less. There's there isn't a prison industrial complex like there is in America. So they haven't had the inflation of sentencing guidelines that they have in the U.S. They don't have a goal to like have lots and lots of Russians behind bars or anybody.
00:26:05:15 - 00:26:30:10
Anosha
So get arrested, charged, convicted, sentenced. And maybe, you know, if it was a pretty bad crime, it's several years, but not like your life sentence for littering or like that. It doesn't take itself quite as seriously. And if that's the right way of putting it, I don't know exactly how to put it, but it's just not quite - it doesn't have the gravity that it does in America.
00:26:30:10 - 00:26:48:11
Anosha
So American viewers will see guys and advisors and holding the batons and stuff and marching in formation and think, oh man if that happened in Detroit, boy, that'd be the end of all those people. No, it's not like that.
00:26:48:11 - 00:27:13:00
Thomas
So there's, of course, a keen interest in bringing up children so they don't turn into miscreants. There should be in any civilized society. And I'm wondering about Russian schools, if you know much about how they're teaching their kids, are they teaching them the solid basics reading, writing, arithmetic, history and all that? Or are they deviating into these other things because you need to train children to be social justice warriors and divide people up by race and drag queen reading hour like American schools are.
00:27:21:12 - 00:27:27:14
Dagny
How do the schools compare in Russia to what you experienced in the US?
00:27:27:14 - 00:27:51:08
Anosha
Okay, the first question is pretty easy. The social justice stuff is a punch line here. It's like, "No, okay?". There are people who are pretty enthusiastic about destroying their society. No, thanks. The schools are definitely are at the level of education you get [in America]. The average Russian student gets a much higher quality education than the average American student.
00:27:51:08 - 00:28:13:06
Anosha
Absolutely. For sure. Schooling is one of the alternative choices I was referring to that we made in the U.S. and we continue to be alternative schoolers here. We just have some preferences in that area. The average Russian student is far better served, is way more competent from things they have learned in school. What they're doing now is the post-Soviet schooling system.
00:28:13:08 - 00:28:32:01
Anosha
And I think that what they were doing during the time of the Russian Empire was much better than what they were doing during the Soviet era, which is much better than what they're doing now. So, you know, I'm hoping that there will continue to be revisiting of that topic.
00:28:32:13 - 00:28:39:08
Thomas
Is there a huge push for green energy in Russia? Windmills and solar panels?
00:28:39:08 - 00:29:12:08
Anosha
Several of these things that you're asking me about schooling and, you know, green energy. And so I think the outlook is somewhat like it was in the maybe later eighties in the US when, you know, before we had this huge greenwashing push. Right. I remember Earth Day 1990. There was a big push to make Earth Day and green interests and stuff a major issue and crank that up.
00:29:13:01 - 00:29:35:05
Anosha
That doesn't happen here. It's still a neat idea. They hear about it from U.N. things. It's like "say good things about it". I'm hoping to work on some of the some of these issues. There is interest in actual sustainability and and good stewardship sort of approaches to nuture ecology.
00:29:35:05 - 00:29:37:11
Anosha
The environment is not the silly stuff.
00:29:39:11 - 00:29:51:05
Dagny
I was wondering if this is an opportunity for you to tell Americans what you think they need to know and I was wondering if there's anything you'd like to say - what you think it's important to tell them?
00:29:52:01 - 00:30:18:09
Anosha
I think the Russian people and the Russian government understand that there's a whole lot of stage production going on in the U.S. and that the West is kind of a victim of its media and I think the Russian government, for example, has been very narrow. They have been exposing some real filth that the the Western Deep State hasn't.
00:30:18:09 - 00:30:53:11
Anosha
The Biden family in particular and the Democrat National Committee have been doing provably in Ukraine, you know, biolab activities, bioweapon research in Ukraine and other many, many other things that I'm absolutely sure that the Russians know all about. They're not choosing to use that headline yet, but when they've talked about this, when they release this the public... they haven't said like the U.S.. They've said the Bidens and the DNC.
00:30:54:02 - 00:31:23:12
Anosha
There is subtlety to the Russian understanding of American dynamics in a way that I really wish there could be of average Americans understanding Russians and what's going on here. I would also like to say that I'm an American. I care. I you know, I have loved ones in America. I have friends in Ukraine in both parts, in both the Russian controlled and the non Russian controlled and I'm strongly like - I'm super inspired by the special military operation that Russia is conducting and I don't find any contradiction between being an American patriot and supporting that. If those statements are surprising, I would invite anyone listening to to look deeper. I have a telegram channel that might provide some some but I suspect that people are interested in the show.
00:31:53:09 - 00:31:56:02
Anosha
We're already aware of some of that. I just wanted to say that.
00:31:57:13 - 00:32:24:06
Thomas
Do you think that Americans should find common ground with Russians and the Russian government against certain global threats? I mean, things that really are a threat to Western civilization, that they're not they're not working together on. Do you see certain problems that we really should have common ground with Russia and other Western nations?
00:32:24:06 - 00:32:34:14
Anosha
So the question you're asking is if there are areas where the American people should have some common ground?
00:32:35:08 - 00:32:55:08
Thomas
Specifically Americans and those who believe in American principles, individual liberty, the ability of the people to be productive and guide their own, their own lives and their own futures. Should they have more common ground with the Russian people, or are there certain areas they should have common grounds where there seems to be some effort to create a division.
00:32:55:13 - 00:32:59:00
Thomas
And you mentioned the DNC and such. We see that. We see that.
00:32:59:05 - 00:32:59:13
Dagny
We see.
00:32:59:15 - 00:33:00:04
Thomas
Creating.
00:33:00:04 - 00:33:02:14
Dagny
That. We see a lot of demonization of Russia.
00:33:03:01 - 00:33:04:14
Thomas
And the Russian people right.
00:33:05:07 - 00:33:31:06
Anosha
There. Yeah, the Russians see that too, I assure you. Yeah. I think that the more clearly someone understands the issues that America is facing and the fact that there is resistance to it in America, that what I've been calling American patriots, that's a way - that's the two word summary for my the way that I refer to people like you're talking about.
00:33:31:06 - 00:33:55:15
Anosha
I don't care what, you know, whether they vote red or blue at the polls, people who are interested in American values, Russia has your back. Russia is exposing and massively frustrating the plans of people who would do to everyday Americans and American patriots on every front.
00:33:55:15 - 00:34:16:11
Anosha
I mean, I know things things hurt right now, but it's not like Russia's trying to inflict that. They have these these enemies. And unfortunately, these enemies are more than happy to do it to you. It's starting to become more and more obvious that there is a large strategy behind all this. We don't know the full scale of it, but some of us have some hints of it and it's I think that there are some big, big things ahead.
00:34:28:08 - 00:34:47:05
Dagny
One of the things I've noticed is a lot of the things that come out proven to be true that Q helped bring out - that I find Russia seems to say the same thing - I think probably because they both are saying something that's true by and large.
00:34:47:09 - 00:35:16:13
Anosha
Yeah. Q. Q You know, we're going to talk about. Q. Q did directly say: "You know what? If wink, wink, Russia and China are working there, are helping us to try to counter the deep state." I don't know the exact quote, but there was a major wink there. Well, what if what if they were?
00:35:16:14 - 00:35:43:09
Anosha
What would that look like? You know, would you have Trump speaking at a rally on top of the soundtrack of of a thunderstorm the day before the Putin spokesperson talks about a global storm coming and Putin has a falcon named Storm land on his wrist.
00:35:47:04 - 00:35:56:13
Dagny
It's a beautiful falcon. Well, we've got about an hour that we've done here. Do you have anything else?
00:35:57:02 - 00:36:14:04
Thomas
I think we've covered the major issues. I think we have we've got an understanding of the situation in Russia. And of course, you're an American citizen, so you're kind of bridging the divide right now between Americans and Russians.
00:36:14:14 - 00:36:16:11
Anosha
It's been an interesting time. I'll tell you what.
00:36:17:02 - 00:36:41:12
Thomas
This should not be the Punch and Judy show between our two peoples, that's for darn sure. You know, we we are facing a problem here. That's what you describe and that many Americans are also seeing and I appreciate the notion that Russia is is actually on the same side as many Americans who see this, what we call the deep state causing us this grief.
00:36:42:03 - 00:36:48:06
Thomas
So it's been a fascinating, fascinating revelation that in Russia, people are very much aware of this as well.
00:36:48:13 - 00:37:00:07
Dagny
Thank you for providing a bridge to folks who listen to our show to actually talk to someone in, you know, the demonized nation of Russia is actually a human being and an American.
00:37:00:09 - 00:37:06:15
Thomas
Not actually occupied by orcs. That has been said over here, which is ridiculous.
00:37:08:00 - 00:37:20:15
Dagny
Well, this friend of mine, she told me how Russians are orcs. And I said, "you know you don't mean that." She said, "Oh, no, yes. They're orcs." Okay. Absolutely crazy.
00:37:21:02 - 00:37:44:11
Thomas
And she to be blunt, she is involved in government. And so there's this attitude being pushed on Americans that we wanted to get a ground truth from Russia, because Americans are being fed a daily mélange of Russians, evil Russians rebuilding communism.
00:37:45:08 - 00:37:47:01
Dagny
Yeah, Putin's the devil and all that.
00:37:47:07 - 00:38:03:11
Thomas
And we want to understand. And so I think you've given us great information. All right. Thank you very much Anosha for for telling us the ground truth from inside Russia. And this is Thomas and Dagny and he's signing off for now. And we'll be back in touch with you for sure. Thank you so much.
00:38:03:15 - 00:38:04:10
Anosha
Thanks for having me.
Here is a link to Anosha's Telegram channel: https://t.me/anoshanews/983
Here is his latest post from The Nebulator:
While I am no "Russia whisperer," years of observation and personal experience have taught me one thing about the Russian mentality: the timeline between them being provoked and reacting is NOT a linear function.
Unlike Americans, who tend to be guided by emotions and react almost immediately to every stimulus (both of which, I would argue, have been weaponized by political bad actors), the Russian government and Russians in general tend to be more deliberate — at first. Repeated "poking" and prodding, however, rapidly lowers the reaction time until it seems like they're lashing out at the slightest provocation and completely out of proportion. Thing is, the response isn't based on just the latest stimulus, but the cumulative pattern of those that came before.
This is very difficult to grasp for people who basically live in the now and have little to no long-term memory or understanding (whether organically or as a result of conditioning, doesn't matter). Then again, I suspect most Russians also have a hard time fully comprehending the impulsiveness of the West, filtering it — as most people do — through the lens of their own behavior.
In my opinion, this more than anything helps explain the near-total disconnect between Russia and the Globalist-American Empire.